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[livejournal.com profile] cofax, I will be owing you so many beers before this process is over. I know you're offline for the weekend, but dear, I'm laughing my ass off at the beta, because it's all so true and you're doing an extraordinary job. And that I've become enough of a grownup to see that makes me very happy. But you're also just cracking me up beyond belief.

This being an example of the beta:

“It’s been quite a day, shokoula,” he said to Anix, the endearment slipping out for the first time in cycles. She tilted up her lips, and furrowed her brow, uncertain of what to say. //pov slip again. D may think she's uncertain, but can't know.// D’Argo offered her his hand, which she took(,) and he pulled her to him in a crushing hug.

“I am very, very glad that you are safe,” he said to her [gruffly] //NO MORE GRUFFLY. I hereby forbid you to describe D'Argo as gruff anymore in this story! The next time you do, you owe me a beer! *g*// as she buried her face in his tunic, [holding onto him tightly.] (clinging to him.)


Yeah, there is much beer in her future:)

I wrote a [livejournal.com profile] farscapefriday for the First Line challenge that pleased me because the sentence had a very particular structure and the book had a very particular prose style and I tried to flow it out from there, which was an excellent exercise in of itself. And it got a little melodramatic, and while I'm overly fond of high melodrama, perhaps it was a bit much. So I fixed it a little, particularly for [livejournal.com profile] crankygrrl. I don't ever write 1st person because it is almost always done badly, unless the writer is incredibly skilled and committed to the words.



Winter Language

It's freezing - an extraordinary 0 Fahrenheit - and it's snowing, and in the language that is no longer mine, the snow is qanik - big, almost weightless crystals falling in clumps and covering the ground with a layer of pulverized white frost.* I like the feel of that word. Snow. Cool and full in my mouth. It is better than the snow itself, weightless at first and then dry and cold, and it is better by far than that odd measurement system that John uses, a scale that starts in the middle, marking temperature back and forth between it, but again, I like the sound and feel of the word, of it's name.

Fahrenheit.

I read that book, sitting in the galley late at night, heavily pregnant, unable to sleep, struggling through the words and trying to keep the ones I liked. The temperature at which books burn and another gap filled, John’s odd affection for these cloth and pulp artifacts peeking out through the rebellion of the firefighter and it translates, becomes round and rich and sensical, John’s need to write things down with ink, to stain his hands with it.

Our footprints mark the snow as we walk towards the shuttle that will take us into the small commercial sector of the city. In the harsh air, the puffs of breath hang suspended. It’s very quiet, very still, ununsual for us, little banter, little bickering, only heartbeats and footsteps and the shush shush of fabric as we march. It feels like a forced march in this cold, but it is necessary. It’s been a long time between planets. We need supplies. We need herbs, and Chilnak willing, we need something to ease Kai’s misery at the push of teeth coming in. I can’t take her pain away, or the rage when her small face contorts in outrage at the discomfort. Neither John nor I has slept well for nearly a weeken, so perhaps the analgesic is as much for us as for Ka’aia.

D’Argo flanks me on one side, grim and weary from a night on watch, furious with the snow. John walks on my left, a little too close, a little too serious, snow and ice visceral and unpleasant for him. The cold brings out the worst in us both. He’d like to hold my hand as we walk, succor for the morning's disagreements, but I brushed him off when we exited the pod. His mouth is set in a flat, unhappy line, and he stubbornly stays shoulder to shoulder with me, determined, so I reach over and take his fingers. He squeezes my hand too tightly and doesn’t let go, and some things are worth the appearance of vulnerability. Reassurance is no longer an indulgence between us, but a thing wordless and needed and worked at together.

Chiana dances along in front of us, making patterns with the soles of her boots, darting and angling in a silent game, face alight with something that she doesn’t need to share. She tiptoes out symbols and signs, and sweeps them away with an arcing brush of her foot. I can feel if not quite wrap a name around this, moments and momentary, here in the silence and crystalline glitter of the snow, skies grey as Chiana’s skin, flakes dotting our hair and clothes, the four of us marching forward.



* Quote from Smila's Sense of Snow by Peter Hoeg

Date: 2004-01-31 01:36 am (UTC)
kernezelda: (john dancing)
From: [personal profile] kernezelda
This is lovely language, but cold. I'm going to start my heater now. *g*
It feels less intimate than your usual tone, perhaps because you're flowing from a different author's style.

D'Argo is a gruff bluff guy, isn't he? *g*

I'm glad your dance went well. That you had a good time and did well and were proud of your performance is more important than winning, you're right. I bet you were the prettiest limesickle there.

Date: 2004-01-31 09:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thassalia.livejournal.com
Yeah, I was amazed at how much the tone and style of that first sentence shaped the rest of the piece. It was a fantastic exercise from that persepective, actually. Maybe that should be our next challenge:) A variation on the remix. Not redoing a story, but writing in the style of a particular author. I couldn't alter the style once that first sentence was there, and it worked perfectly because the work itself is a translation from the Danish, and then the story became about the style about the translation and the snow covering things. (I'd be curious to see if you liked this version or the first version better. Kath's right that the melodrama is a little over the top, but stylistically it seemed to work a little better). I was tempted to spin this out, but I don't know that I could have sustained the tone - or the first person POV- for any longer. It felt far less intimate, not more so.

And yeah, I was the only limesicle. That pleased me as well:)

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Date: 2004-01-31 04:37 pm (UTC)
kernezelda: (DMD)
From: [personal profile] kernezelda
The FSF one felt more distant than this one. I'm not sure why. It didn't touch me.

Perhaps it's because of the different style, but neither story elicits any real feeling, any sympathy for Aeryn. The tone is cool, her observations are impersonal. The characters are not connected except by location and destination, each one encased in their own bubble.

It's a static picture of strangers, even though they're not.

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Date: 2004-02-01 09:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thassalia.livejournal.com
Yeah, again, I think a lot of that came from the source material. I couldn't get away from the feeling of the sentence, or the feeling of the book. Smila is a very distant character, and I'm amazed by how much that first sentence sets the reader apart, and how much that carried through in writing and envisioning this.

Date: 2004-01-31 01:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] life-on-queen.livejournal.com
I am such a bitch. I should probably get an icon that says that, too. Hee.

I still utterly love the first part and the revisions to the second part are lovely too. Especially John and Aeryn holding hands.

In addition to being a bitch, I am a sap.

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Date: 2004-01-31 01:53 am (UTC)
kernezelda: (badass)
From: [personal profile] kernezelda
Are there people who aren't both?

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Date: 2004-01-31 02:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] life-on-queen.livejournal.com
Apparently there are. *g*

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Date: 2004-01-31 02:33 am (UTC)
kernezelda: (benediction SB)
From: [personal profile] kernezelda
Freaks!

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Date: 2004-01-31 09:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thassalia.livejournal.com
Dude, not on this journal:) It's the prerequisite for living and visiting here:)

Date: 2004-01-31 09:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thassalia.livejournal.com
It's why I love you dear, for both qualities which are highly appreciated:)

Date: 2004-01-31 05:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oneeyethedrd.livejournal.com
I promise you, I'm still working on the beta, though I fear my comments are more on the technical side and not nearly as entertaining as those.

I'll keep working on it, but if you get tired of waiting and want to post, let me know and I'll throw in the towel. I warned you that I wasn't Speedy Gonzales.

(On the up-side, much progress is being made on my fic.)

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Date: 2004-01-31 05:48 am (UTC)
kernezelda: (LATP 'What the hell is this?")
From: [personal profile] kernezelda
Ooh! *rubs hands together eagerly*

Date: 2004-01-31 08:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thassalia.livejournal.com
Honey, any and all effort is appreciated. This is a monster, and I'm not expecting speediness from anyone. I'm grateful for all help. But, keep in mind that if you need or want to throw in the towel, feel free!! No obligations:) (Largely, because as with all of my betas, I feel terribly guilty about this interfering in your writing. Everyone has great stuff in progress and I feel like my timing was abyssmal in finishing, especially since I want to read all of the stuff you guys are producing:)

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Date: 2004-01-31 12:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] riarambles.livejournal.com
Alright, if I'd known other people were gonna beta for a whole week, I'da kept the sucker longer. Ah well, next time I'll know better than to get it back in four days, now won't I?

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Date: 2004-02-01 09:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thassalia.livejournal.com
But I was so thrilled to get it back so quickly - thrilled and amazed and very, very grateful!!

Date: 2004-02-02 06:24 pm (UTC)
cofax7: climbing on an abbey wall  (Default)
From: [personal profile] cofax7
Bwah. I knew you'd laugh at that. But no more gruffness!

I did nothing on the beta this weekend -- instead I got partway through a commentary on MoneyChanger, and read Terry Pratchett.

I will soldier on. Do you want me to continue doing the line-edit stuff, or are other people catching that?

Date: 2004-02-02 07:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thassalia.livejournal.com
If something jumps out at you in the line-edit, nail it, otherwise, I think I've got it covered. It's the text stuff, and the "wow that so doesn't work stuff" that's helping the most. The line edits always welcome, but I know it's taking for ever and I'll do a better line edit myself once the rewrite's done:)

Can't wait to read the commentary on Money Changer:)

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