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That is definitely meant in the metaphorical sense. I say this because this is fandom, and really, a literal interpretation is not what I'm after.

I've long acknowledged a fannish love of the cranky, but I find there's a definite difference between cranky, or just assholish and assholish with justification. And weirdly, I dislike the latter but sort of adore the former.

For evidence see, most recently, the fact that I SHOULD NOT BE ROOTING FOR ARI GOLD!! I should not. Ari deserves to have the disasters befall him because he brings them on. And yet I love him and want success and happiness. (I also LOVED how his professional break up with Vince was played like a romantic break up, even acknowledged in the same way by the boys because Vince is more intimate with Ari than any of the women. And while new agent Amanda is hot, and probably a better person, I just want Vince and Ari together again!!!)

Also, as M. says, Johnny Drama was wearing possibly the GAYEST shirt ever last night. Which I find sort of adorable. I mean, even Lloyd would not wear that shirt!!

This is why I rooted for Vegeta (see M's long and unfortunate Dragon Ball Z phase). And early season Spike. And grumpy Angel. And D'Argo (when he was cranky, because if you had to live with John Crichton, I imagine you'd be cranky too. See also Pilot, and Aeryn and all of Crichton's shipmates). And others of the cranky variety. And I think it's because there's no justification for the behavior. We, the audience, know it's unacceptable. The other characters know it's unacceptable, and unlike with the cranky genius trope, no one offers excuses for it!! I pretty much love that.

And in conclusion, Reunion PROMPTS!!!

Date: 2007-04-09 09:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rubberneck.livejournal.com
I'll point to this comment, which I've had open in a tab for weeks now: http://synecdochic.livejournal.com/113909.html?thread=3778549#t3778549

The gist being Spider Robinson's theory that everyone is an asshole, "The trademark of the true, dyed-in-the-wool, hopeless and irredeemable capital-A Asshole (Wally had explained) is the fixed belief that there exist some people, somewhere, who are Not Assholes. This immediately gives rise to the passionate desire to be mistaken for one of them. Wally himself -- he now saw -- had been wasting enormous amounts of energy, time and invention on trying to keep anyone from suspecting that he was one of the Assholes. "Dignity doesn't have to be a suit of armor," he had told her. "It can be as weightless and transparent as a force field." And from that day forth, both had tried to refocus their efforts -- to settle for being perceived (by anyone whose opinion mattered to them) as a pair of competent and pleasant and capable assholes. Assholes with class."

I think that's where the boundaries lie between being a crank, a justified asshole, or simply a mean jackass. There's an emotional honesty about someone who's willing to be somewhat of an asshole or a crank. You know exactly who and what you're dealing with because it's a measurable amount of unpleasant up front instead of a unknown vein of dank unpleasant springing out of a Nice Guy at some later and far more inconvenient date.

The cranky genius trope posits that their gifts somehow compensate for their being awful. But being awful, in a perverse way, is sometimes a social gift in itself.

Date: 2007-04-09 10:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thassalia.livejournal.com

I think that's where the boundaries lie between being a crank, a justified asshole, or simply a mean jackass. There's an emotional honesty about someone who's willing to be somewhat of an asshole or a crank.


Exactly. And there's a difference from sometimes being an asshole to treating people like they're worth less than you are. (Which is why Rodney pisses me off. I don't accept the trope that talent justifies behavior. I'd probably give him more credence if the show didn't so gleefully revel in his behavior).

Because I love John Crichton when he's an asshole because no one defends him for it. And I love Malcolm Reynolds for being an idealist and an asshole.

Date: 2007-04-09 10:16 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kernezelda
If I had to live with anyone from Moya, I'd be cranky. Unless it was Pilot and/or Moya. Maybe.

Might prompt for Reunion fic tonight. Must see if capable after attempting to work on Remix.

Date: 2007-04-10 01:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fourteenlines.livejournal.com
I...honestly, I kind of have a thing for assholes. Metaphorically speaking. A certain kind, at least, the kind that is charismatic but has an ego, who will smile at you and make you feel special even as you look at them and think, "You know, you're kind of an asshole." And I tell you truthfully, I cannot explain it.

(Psst! Name change. Don't know if you've noticed. Don't be alarmed.)

Date: 2007-04-10 02:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thassalia.livejournal.com
Hee - I have that exact same problem:)

And hee, thankfully, that icon is a huge giveaway:)

Date: 2007-04-10 05:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] haphazardmethod.livejournal.com
How could you talk about cranky and not mention Toby??? *g*

Date: 2007-04-10 05:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thassalia.livejournal.com
Dude!!! Toby is my ultimate cranky TV boyfriend!!! And in fact, a perfect example of this phenomenon, because no one excuses his crankiness, and he in fact, suffers occasionally for it:)

But I love him!!

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